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https://cives.uni-lj.si//index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Neg_A_II Neg A II - Revision history 2026-05-05T08:10:23Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.39.6 https://cives.uni-lj.si/index.php?title=Neg_A_II&diff=1078&oldid=prev LukaRepansek at 13:53, 21 April 2024 2024-04-21T13:53:53Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:53, 21 April 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|object=bronze helmet</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|object=bronze helmet</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|script=Rhaetic alphabet (Sanzeno)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|script=Rhaetic alphabet (Sanzeno)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|language=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Rhaetic</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|language=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">unknown</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|direction=sinistroverse</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|direction=sinistroverse</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|technique=incised</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|technique=incised</div></td></tr> </table>

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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:34, 21 April 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Inscription</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Inscription</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|trasnliteration=siraku : tulrli</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|trasnliteration=siraku : tulrli <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or tuprpi</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|object=bronze helmet</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|object=bronze helmet</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|script=Rhaetic alphabet (Sanzeno)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|script=Rhaetic alphabet (Sanzeno)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l20">Line 20:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 20:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Egg, Markus (1986)</span>. ''Italische Helme. Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen. Teil 1: Text, Teil 2: Tafeln.'' Mainz: Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum, pp. 614-620.</p></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Egg, Markus (1986)</span>. ''Italische Helme. Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen. Teil 1: Text, Teil 2: Tafeln.'' Mainz: Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum, pp. 614-620.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Giovanelli, Benedetto (1876)</span>. Die Rhätisch-Etruskischen Alterthümer entdeckt bei Matrei im Mai 1845. ''Zeitschrift des Ferdinandeums für Tirol und Vorarlberg ''3/20, pp. 45–99.</p></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Giovanelli, Benedetto (1876)</span>. Die Rhätisch-Etruskischen Alterthümer entdeckt bei Matrei im Mai 1845. ''Zeitschrift des Ferdinandeums für Tirol und Vorarlberg ''3/20, pp. 45–99.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|test=<div id="slikce"><img id="i" src="venetianLetters/i.png"><img id="p1r" src="venetianLetters/p1r.png"><img id="r1r" src="venetianLetters/r1r.png"><img id="p1r" src="venetianLetters/p1r.png"><img id="u1" src="venetianLetters/u1.png"><img id="t5" src="venetianLetters/t5.png"><img id="spacebar-letter" src="venetianLetters/spacebar-letter.png"><img id="u1" src="venetianLetters/u1.png"><img id="k2" src="venetianLetters/k2.png"><img id="a1r" src="venetianLetters/a1r.png"><img id="r1r" src="venetianLetters/r1r.png"><img id="i" src="venetianLetters/i.png"><img id="s1" src="venetianLetters/s1.png"></div></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>}}</div></td></tr> </table>

LukaRepansek https://cives.uni-lj.si/index.php?title=Neg_A_II&diff=1031&oldid=prev LukaRepansek at 18:51, 20 April 2024 2024-04-20T18:51:36Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:51, 20 April 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|findspot=Ženjak</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|findspot=Ženjak</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|date=4th-3rd. c. BC</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|date=4th-3rd. c. BC</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|commentary=<p>The inscription, 5 cm in length, is located on the chamfer of the Negau helmet A. Nedoma (1995) argues the location indicates a profane function, as votive helmet inscriptions are normally applied prominently on the bowl. The inscription is immediately followed by Neg A Ib, separated by four small dots. Marstrander (1927) first observed that the two inscriptions are unlikely to have been written by the same person: the scratches in Ia are deeper, the overall execution is neater and the lines seem to have been scratched from bottom to top. Contrastively, the ''epsilon'' and ''iota'' hastae in Ib are scratched top to bottom. Both inscriptions are indubitably to be read sinistroverse, but the ''sigma'' in Ia is turned against writing direction, whereas in Ib it is written correctly. Another difference is the execution of ''rho'', whose hastae are scratched in three straight lines in Ia, but in Ib it consists of an upright straight hasta and another curved one. With these observations in mind, it it likely Neg Ia and Ib are to be read as separate, unrelated inscriptions, written by two different people.</p><p>Both inscriptions feature what must be assumed to be writer's mistakes. In Ia, we can see a ''tau'' cramped between the second ''upsilon'' and ''rho''. Drawings by Giovanelli and Marstrander record tiny scratches covering it, likely an attempt by the writer to cross it out. The writer seems to have either prematurely added the bar of the following ''tau ''to the hasta meant for ''rho'' or they erroneously started to write ''rho'' in the wrong direction. Markey (2001) also points out that the two preceding letters are symmetrical: "this may have left an unskilled engraver in doubt as to the direction of the next asymmetrical letter". The writer also seems to have tried to accentuate the hasta with additional scratches.</p><p>There have been arguments stating that the two large dots between siraku and t<sup>s</sup>urti are not intentional (Marstrander 1927; Egg 1986). However, the interpretation of the spots as intentional is supported by the fact that the segmentation is linguistically plausible for both Rhaetic and Celtic interpretations.</p><p>Epigraphically, the inscription can be ascribed to the Rhaetic corpus, due to the distinguishing Sanzeno ''tau'' and the so-called arrowhead ''tau.''</p><p>Linguistically, the inscription is very likely Rhaetic. Although Markey (2001) attempts a Celtic interpretation (siragu turbī "astral priest of the troop"), but the interpretation and reconstruction are questionable. &nbsp;Nothing conflicts with a Rhaetic reading, which is suggested by the use of the specifically Rhaetic arrowhead ''tau'' denoting a dental affricate, even if the interpretation is uncertain.</p></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|commentary=<p>The inscription, 5 cm in length, is located on the chamfer of the Negau helmet A. Nedoma (1995) argues the location indicates a profane function, as votive helmet inscriptions are normally applied prominently on the bowl. The inscription is immediately followed by Neg A Ib, separated by four small dots. Marstrander (1927) first observed that the two inscriptions are unlikely to have been written by the same person: the scratches in Ia are deeper, the overall execution is neater and the lines seem to have been scratched from bottom to top. Contrastively, the ''epsilon'' and ''iota'' hastae in Ib are scratched top to bottom. Both inscriptions are indubitably to be read sinistroverse, but the ''sigma'' in Ia is turned against writing direction, whereas in Ib it is written correctly. Another difference is the execution of ''rho'', whose hastae are scratched in three straight lines in Ia, but in Ib it consists of an upright straight hasta and another curved one. With these observations in mind, it it likely Neg Ia and Ib are to be read as separate, unrelated inscriptions, written by two different people.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|bibliography=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Wallace, Rex. E. (2008)</span>. ''A Manual of the Etruscan Language and Inscriptions.''&nbsp;Ann Arbor – New York: Beech Stave Press''.''</del><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Markey, Tom (2001)</span>. A tale of two helmets: The Negau A and B inscriptions. ''The Journal of Indo-European Studies ''29, pp. 69–172.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Nedoma, Robert (1995)</span>. ''Die Inschrift auf dem Helm B von Negau. Möglichkeiten und Grenzen der Deutung norditalischer epigraphischer Denkmäler''. Wien: Fassbaender.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Rix, Helmut (1985)</span>. Schrift und Sprache. In: M. Cristofani (ed.), ''Die'' Etrusker. Stuttgart – Zürich: Belser, pp. 210–238.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Marstrander, Carl Johan. Sverdrup (1927)</span>. Remarques sur les inscriptions des casques en bronze de Negau et de Watsch. ''Avhandlinger utgitt av Det Norske Videnskaps-Akademi i Oslo. Hist.-filos. klasse ''1926/2, pp. 1–26.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Egg, Markus (1986)</span>. ''Italische Helme. Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen. Teil 1: Text, Teil 2: Tafeln.'' Mainz: Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Giovanelli, Benedetto (1876)</span>. Die Rhätisch-Etruskischen Alterthümer entdeckt bei Matrei im Mai 1845. ''Zeitschrift des Ferdinandeums für Tirol und Vorarlberg ''3/20, pp. 45–99<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Fabretti, Ariodante (1867)</span>. ''Corpus inscriptionum italicarum.''&nbsp;Torino</del>.</p></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p>Both inscriptions feature what must be assumed to be writer's mistakes. In Ia, we can see a ''tau'' cramped between the second ''upsilon'' and ''rho''. Drawings by Giovanelli and Marstrander record tiny scratches covering it, likely an attempt by the writer to cross it out. The writer seems to have either prematurely added the bar of the following ''tau ''to the hasta meant for ''rho'' or they erroneously started to write ''rho'' in the wrong direction. Markey (2001) also points out that the two preceding letters are symmetrical: "this may have left an unskilled engraver in doubt as to the direction of the next asymmetrical letter". The writer also seems to have tried to accentuate the hasta with additional scratches.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p>There have been arguments stating that the two large dots between siraku and t<sup>s</sup>urti are not intentional (Marstrander 1927; Egg 1986). However, the interpretation of the spots as intentional is supported by the fact that the segmentation is linguistically plausible for both Rhaetic and Celtic interpretations.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p>Epigraphically, the inscription can be ascribed to the Rhaetic corpus, due to the distinguishing Sanzeno ''tau'' and the so-called arrowhead ''tau.''</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p>Linguistically, the inscription is very likely Rhaetic. Although Markey (2001) attempts a Celtic interpretation (siragu turbī "astral priest of the troop"), but the interpretation and reconstruction are questionable. &nbsp;Nothing conflicts with a Rhaetic reading, which is suggested by the use of the specifically Rhaetic arrowhead ''tau'' denoting a dental affricate, even if the interpretation is uncertain.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|bibliography=<p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Markey, Tom (2001)</span>. A tale of two helmets: The Negau A and B inscriptions. ''The Journal of Indo-European Studies ''29, pp. 69–172.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Nedoma, Robert (1995)</span>. ''Die Inschrift auf dem Helm B von Negau. Möglichkeiten und Grenzen der Deutung norditalischer epigraphischer Denkmäler''. Wien: Fassbaender<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, pp. 18–20</ins>.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Rix, Helmut (1985)</span>. Schrift und Sprache. In: M. Cristofani (ed.), ''Die'' Etrusker. Stuttgart – Zürich: Belser, pp. 210–238.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Marstrander, Carl Johan. Sverdrup (1927)</span>. Remarques sur les inscriptions des casques en bronze de Negau et de Watsch. ''Avhandlinger utgitt av Det Norske Videnskaps-Akademi i Oslo. Hist.-filos. klasse ''1926/2, pp. 1–26.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Egg, Markus (1986)</span>. ''Italische Helme. Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen. Teil 1: Text, Teil 2: Tafeln.'' Mainz: Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, pp. 614-620</ins>.</p></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);">Giovanelli, Benedetto (1876)</span>. Die Rhätisch-Etruskischen Alterthümer entdeckt bei Matrei im Mai 1845. 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<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:02, 20 April 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Inscription</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Inscription</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|trasnliteration=siraku : tulrli</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|trasnliteration=siraku : tulrli</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|object=bronze helmet</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|script=Rhaetic alphabet (Sanzeno)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|language=Rhaetic</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|direction=sinistroverse</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|technique=incised</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|condition=non-fragmentary</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|findspot=Ženjak</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>|findspot=Ženjak</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|date=4th-3rd. c. BC</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|commentary=<p>The inscription, 5 cm in length, is located on the chamfer of the Negau helmet A. Nedoma (1995) argues the location indicates a profane function, as votive helmet inscriptions are normally applied prominently on the bowl. The inscription is immediately followed by Neg A Ib, separated by four small dots. Marstrander (1927) first observed that the two inscriptions are unlikely to have been written by the same person: the scratches in Ia are deeper, the overall execution is neater and the lines seem to have been scratched from bottom to top. Contrastively, the ''epsilon'' and ''iota'' hastae in Ib are scratched top to bottom. Both inscriptions are indubitably to be read sinistroverse, but the ''sigma'' in Ia is turned against writing direction, whereas in Ib it is written correctly. Another difference is the execution of ''rho'', whose hastae are scratched in three straight lines in Ia, but in Ib it consists of an upright straight hasta and another curved one. With these observations in mind, it it likely Neg Ia and Ib are to be read as separate, unrelated inscriptions, written by two different people.</p><p>Both inscriptions feature what must be assumed to be writer's mistakes. In Ia, we can see a ''tau'' cramped between the second ''upsilon'' and ''rho''. Drawings by Giovanelli and Marstrander record tiny scratches covering it, likely an attempt by the writer to cross it out. The writer seems to have either prematurely added the bar of the following ''tau ''to the hasta meant for ''rho'' or they erroneously started to write ''rho'' in the wrong direction. Markey (2001) also points out that the two preceding letters are symmetrical: "this may have left an unskilled engraver in doubt as to the direction of the next asymmetrical letter". The writer also seems to have tried to accentuate the hasta with additional scratches.</p><p>There have been arguments stating that the two large dots between siraku and t<sup>s</sup>urti are not intentional (Marstrander 1927; Egg 1986). However, the interpretation of the spots as intentional is supported by the fact that the segmentation is linguistically plausible for both Rhaetic and Celtic interpretations.</p><p>Epigraphically, the inscription can be ascribed to the Rhaetic corpus, due to the distinguishing Sanzeno ''tau'' and the so-called arrowhead ''tau.''</p><p>Linguistically, the inscription is very likely Rhaetic. Although Markey (2001) attempts a Celtic interpretation (siragu turbī "astral priest of the troop"), but the interpretation and reconstruction are questionable. &nbsp;Nothing conflicts with a Rhaetic reading, which is suggested by the use of the specifically Rhaetic arrowhead ''tau'' denoting a dental affricate, even if the interpretation is uncertain.</p></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">|bibliography=<span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Wallace, Rex. E. (2008)</span>. ''A Manual of the Etruscan Language and Inscriptions.''&nbsp;Ann Arbor – New York: Beech Stave Press''.''<p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Markey, Tom (2001)</span>. A tale of two helmets: The Negau A and B inscriptions. ''The Journal of Indo-European Studies ''29, pp. 69–172.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Nedoma, Robert (1995)</span>. ''Die Inschrift auf dem Helm B von Negau. Möglichkeiten und Grenzen der Deutung norditalischer epigraphischer Denkmäler''. Wien: Fassbaender.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Rix, Helmut (1985)</span>. Schrift und Sprache. In: M. Cristofani (ed.), ''Die'' Etrusker. Stuttgart – Zürich: Belser, pp. 210–238.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Marstrander, Carl Johan. Sverdrup (1927)</span>. Remarques sur les inscriptions des casques en bronze de Negau et de Watsch. ''Avhandlinger utgitt av Det Norske Videnskaps-Akademi i Oslo. Hist.-filos. klasse ''1926/2, pp. 1–26.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Egg, Markus (1986)</span>. ''Italische Helme. Studien zu den ältereisenzeitlichen Helmen Italiens und der Alpen. Teil 1: Text, Teil 2: Tafeln.'' Mainz: Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Giovanelli, Benedetto (1876)</span>. Die Rhätisch-Etruskischen Alterthümer entdeckt bei Matrei im Mai 1845. ''Zeitschrift des Ferdinandeums für Tirol und Vorarlberg ''3/20, pp. 45–99.</p><p><span style="color: rgb(230, 126, 35);" >Fabretti, Ariodante (1867)</span>. ''Corpus inscriptionum italicarum.''&nbsp;Torino.</p></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>}}</div></td></tr> </table>

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